. >> reporr: with the polls tightening, the president needs to fire up his democratic base, while romney need to convert 2008 obama voters. rob, paula, last night here in kentucky, both of them got a lot of help from their running mates. >> karen, can we say there was a winner? can we call it a draw? i was looking at several polls, three gave it to paul ryan. three gave the to joe biden. was there a winner? or was this a tie? >> yeah, paula those instant reactions were showing voters were evenly split. but i think if you have to pick who really got what they wanted to get out of this debate it was vice president biden. the democrats are very happy because he basically stopped the bleeding from last weak's, the president's performance at last week's debate. he did two things very well. one, he promoted the president's policies and defended the president's record and did it by connecting with voters. and, that's not something that president obama was able to do last week. he also cam out aggressively against the romney policies by going after paul ryan very strongly. that is also something